just shows you bongtokes. that you can watch as many fights as you like but still not know anything about fighting. you have to fight yourself to truly understand it. your acting like a silly wee boy that gets taken in by hype and big muscles. brock should have stuck to wwe, bodybuilding or strongman competitions . he will always be exciting to watch and pull in the crowds that think he looks tough. same as bob sapp, but he will never be a world beater. randy cotour is a great fighter and will beat brock easily. the next fight will be much harder against either mir or nog. id bet you anything you like!
bob sapp beat ernesto hoost....TWICE....and though herring isn't what he use to be, that is still no small task to take him out.
brock stands a chance...though i'm still leaning heavily towards radny for this fight.
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Posted:
02.11.2008, 21:32
biffwhapslam wrote:
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How do you figure that genius? I said I agree with (read again) most of what you said. Like where you said Randy has been affected by age, or that Couture has been beaten by several good fighters. The important parts, I agree with. The stupid parts where you don't read my posts and post things I didn't type like "I'm bias towards Couture, its OBVIOUS". Its only obvious to you dumb ass, and thats because your an idiot. Or how about "I typify a group of people who think legends are unbeatable"? Never said anything remotely resembling that. Ever. You can check all of my posts. I've made strong cases for both fighters. You're the only one who is bias because you enjoy licking Brock Lesna'rs nut sack. Don't parade around calling other people bias when you are clearly the most bias person that has posted on this thread. That is why you fail. Not as hard as lostinsanity, but a fail none the less. You guys would make great bed mates though!
As Brock has no submissions, and Randy won't give up - i see this going the full 5 bloody rounds. Mainly with brock lying on top of Randy doing his stomach swivels trying to look busy.
25 minutes is a long time for Randy to find some positions where he can punish Brock. I'd imagine Randy will have the edge on the feet and will catch him good once or twice, but that won't be enough. The only victory i can see for Randy is a tired, bloody late submission similair to Mir.
I really want Captain USA to slay the beast, but make Lesnar the favourite due to outmatching Randy in all of his strengths.
See though, I agree with you on most of that. I'm not defending Couture, I just think you should give the man some credit. I know hes older, and probably has lost some of his edge, but don't act like Brock is just going to mow through him like hes nothing. I'm not bias toward's any fighter. Giving them the credit they have earned does not make someone bias. If I where going around saying "Couture is the greatest ever, hes superman, Brock's gonna get smashed!!", then that would be bias. I'm simply saying they are both amazing fighters and it wont be an easy battle for either one of them. Brock obviously has an edge in strength and size, but Randy has an edge in experience and technique. Brock is more powerful on the ground and has amazing wrestling, but older or not, Randy's wrestling is still stop notch. There is nothing you can show me to disprove that. I have in no way ever said Randy or any other "legend" is unbeatable. You have a tendency to put words in peoples mouths because you know your wrong. Randy is very beatable. Hes been beaten several times. Can Brock beat him? Maybe. But to completely count Couture out shows that you "typify" a group of people who are completely biased, buy in to hype and know nothing about MMA. You fail.
Well put mate
I do think Dana White has fucked up here with his selection
There is no way that Lesner is due a title shot after just 2 fights and a record of 1-1
I hope to god Randy smashes Lesner a new arse hole
Every man and his dog said he would not be able to handle Silvia or Gonzaga & look what happened
I am going to enjoy coming on here after Randy has won & ram the words back down a lot of the posters on here
So I'm alittle bit confused...so far I've heard how great Brock Lesnar is and how heavy handed he is. What fight was he in that showed that? The Heath "just above par" Herring? Was he ever known as a great fighter...sure he has had fights with some great fighters, like you remember the time he lost to Fedor or the time he lost to Mirko or the time he lost to Nogueira (both times) but he was never great, he was just a tough guy they can use in some elses hightlight reels, look at all the fights he fought thus far in the UFC he's just though enough to keep the fight going for 15 mins, doing just enough to survive.
BTW-Couture's not going to be a fish out of water on his back like Herring was
So he lands one good punch early on in the Herring fight and now he has the heaviest hands in MMA? Do we mean heaviest like as in weight, because I'm sure a hand that require a XXXL glove would wight alot, but if they were heavy would Frank Mir have looked so fresh after taking 100 of those weak-ass shoulder punches Lesnar through? If Mir can land a knee-bar that slowly then I doubt anyone would have a problem submitting him. Lesnar just stood there and watched Mir wrap around his leg then he tried to simply hop out of it...he's just not well rounded enough.
Age is in Couture's favor, in the way of experience. Heath Herring has always had conditioning problems and he went the distance with Lesnar, I don't see conditioning playing much of a role in this fight. Couture's only issue is the time it takes his body to recover, he has adjusted his training to reduce wear on his body where he can (running on a trampoline instead of concrete for example, simple shit like that). Did anyone see the studies they did on couture on Discovery Chanel, his lactic acid levels went down after a 60 second submission attempt, they measured individual muscles and said he subconsciously rotates what muscles are being used during the course of the submission in order to reduce muscle strain cause by a build up in lactic acid levels. Age don't matter when your not human.
If it seems I'm biased towards Randy your wrong, I'm biased toward real fighters, who have proved themselves, which is what the UFC in supposed to consist of. Lesnar is only there because Dana White knows if he puts Brock on the UFC all the wrestling fans will watch and inturn become UFC fans. No body really thinks he deserves a chance at a title, but if they want to make money off him then they need to do it before he get torn apart by someone whose not a true contender, or he will get Slice-d (a joke at Kimbo Slice's expense).
Brocks only chance is to lay on top of Couture for 3 rounds and throw enough of those piter-patering shots to keep the ref from standing them up, but the second he leaves an arm or leg out there it's gonna break. Everyone keeps saying Couture doesn't have much in the way of submission skills, but against a guy who can't see the worlds slowest knee-bar coming- I think that maybe enough...with that said I dis-agree I think at this point in his career he has more than a few submissions up his sleeve. I remember him pulling off an andaconda choke, and if Brock didn't recognize Mir's Knee-Bar then he definately will not see that coming either.
If you watch Randy's fights he wins by manhandling people with his wrestling skills, physical power and leverage. His cardio might be wonderful, but so what.
Lesnar is going to kick his ass sooooooo bad. Not even close. Everything Couture is good at, Lesnar is better. And much younger. And faster than Couture was when he was in his prime.
A young Randy Couture was limited to the skills you stated...but that's because that's what worked...he was soooo much better at it than anyone else in the UFC at the time, when some one matches those skills or finds a way to work around them (Liddle sprawling to prevent the take down) or goes to plan B, then C, and so on. He has these opitions, Lesnar does not. Lesnar is stuck with those attribuetes but Randy has the edge in every aspect of fighting that you neglected to mention...his hands in the fight against Silva were all on point, made Silva look like he was a submission fighter that couldn't get the fight to the ground (not to mention him beating Liddle on his feet). I've only seen Brock Lesnar throw one punch in a correct stance and I only think it landed on Herring because he was in shock from the wild flying knee attempt before it...your not going to suprise Randy that easily, Herring always looks off at the beginning of the fight, too much nervous energy.
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Posted:
08.11.2008, 21:02
bongtokes81592 wrote:
gerryboy wrote:
just shows you bongtokes. that you can watch as many fights as you like but still not know anything about fighting. you have to fight yourself to truly understand it. your acting like a silly wee boy that gets taken in by hype and big muscles. brock should have stuck to wwe, bodybuilding or strongman competitions . he will always be exciting to watch and pull in the crowds that think he looks tough. same as bob sapp, but he will never be a world beater. randy cotour is a great fighter and will beat brock easily. the next fight will be much harder against either mir or nog. id bet you anything you like!
STFU man, its a fucking opinion, and my opinion is that i hope couture gets layed and pounded on for 5 rounds, and if brock can finish it(which i doubt he will), then that would be cool too.
you act like heath herring is some sort of can, did you forget about the 3 round onslaught that he put him through? and herring is a game opponent. i think brock has better wrestling and better cardio than randy. randy may have him in the striking department, but so did herring, and look what happened to him.
just because he had a career in gay ass fake wrestling doesnt mean he cant fight. he could easily break the top 10 with his skills
Regardless of who wins between Couture and Lesnar; neither will beat Nogueira. Or Fedor, for that matter.
That's the honest truth, and I'm sorry if any fanboys get butt-hurt over it.
I agree Fedor would likely beat both however Nogueira, despite his boxing background, is not the most dominate striker nor does he have the best take downs...Silvia worked him on the feet, and it took Nogueira a while to get the fight on the ground; granted it didn't take him long to finish the fight once they hit the ground. Anyways, if Couture dominated Silvia with strikes in their fight and Silvia dominated Nog. with strikes....so why would Couture lose. Sure Nog is a genius on the ground but he's going to have to take him down and if it took him that long to get Silvia down, then how long will it take to take down a great wrestler like Couture? And once it's on the ground it's not like he'll be completely lost like Silvia was.
Silvia is not the most consistant fighter I only used him as an example because he fought both around the same time...Nog stuggled in his fight, Couture worked him the entire fight, but you gotta give Nog credit for finishing (but then again he had to or he would have lost, so not to much credit I guess)
Don't get me wrong Nog is an excellent jujitsu fighter and fairly well rounded but I don't think it's fair to assume he would beat Couture...Couture has a habit a proving the people who doubt him wrong.
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Posted:
09.11.2008, 15:29
PerpetualBurn wrote:
Regardless of who wins between Couture and Lesnar; neither will beat Nogueira. Or Fedor, for that matter.
That's the honest truth, and I'm sorry if any fanboys get butt-hurt over it.
Fedor yes. Nogueira, not so much. Nog has excellent ground submissions and an iron jaw, but to be perfectly honest, I think hes an extremely boring fighter. The only thing that ever impresses me about Nogueira is how much he can get his ass kicked in a fight and still somehow turn it around. In some ways I think Brock would present more problems to Nog than Couture, just because of how much damage Lesnar can do on the ground. We'll have to see how Randy handles Brock in their fight to know for sure how well either of them would do.
Fedor hasn't proven himself? Perhaps you dont remember his undefeated record (except that one bullshit cut stopage that no one considers a real loss) against many of the best heavyweight fighters in the world.... Fedor hasn't fought an in shape opponent in over 4 years? Perhaps you dont remember his 30 some second annihilation of former heavyweight champion tim silvia, who gave noguiera (probably the next REAL heavyweight champion) so much trouble.. who he also defeated numerous times. Perhaps you also dont know about his excellent sambo record, which he constantly improves against many of Russia's top sambo fighters who are without a doubt "in shape". Perhaps you dont really know what youre talking about... just take a minute to reflect on that....
I'm pissed because the UFC makes shit take too long. Instead of Lesnar, Randy could be fighting Fedor - and I will admit that Randy's everything is stating to diminish. Time is of the essence and there's no way that Randy can beat Nog/Fedor two years from now. I believe in Captain America, but even he needed that special serum every now and then.
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