Bjorrn, I clearly understand by your last post with your suggested reading that you are NOT an American, but a European... I also believe rumple here is not an American either...My guess rumple is your Canadian.... But you know what? I appologize for getting angry with your ignorance (or mine depending on where you are from or how you were raised)My offer still stands however!
Yes, I am ignorant (sarcasm!) when it comes to America, I appologize.
To be honest, I see your nation (together with UK) as tool to create a nazi global state, so it's hard for me to act cold.
“America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.”
Oscar Wilde
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23.08.2008, 16:26 Post subject:
here we go
Excellent rebuttal.
You fit right in to the NeoCon game plan, where the only solution to a disagreement or difference of opinion, is violence.
Not democracy or diplomacy, but violence.
You need to be educated in American history (and possibly some anger management classes). Not the sugar coated crap they feed you in school, real political history of America. Then you will find out why there are people who are willing to blow themselves up to kill American soldiers. Do you believe the "they hate us because we are free" bullshit. Think about it, seriously think about it. Why on earth would someone from an entirely different country want American's killed so bad, they are willing to kill themselves in the process? You really think that they sit over there going “those Americans have beer and TV and freedoms and whores and sex, they must all die”. Sounds pretty silly when it's put that way doesn't it.
I think it's more likely they hate us because we stick our noses in every other countries affairs, even when it's not wanted. We hide behind policies of "national security" to fund and arm extremist groups when it suits our corporate financial greed. We oust democratically elected leaders by supporting and arming oppositions to form coup's. Bomb villages and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians and call it collateral damage. Appoint “pro-American” leaders in oil rich countries to ensure corporate America can continue to get rich. Make up lies and use mass media to inject fear, where there is none. I can continue, but you won't believe any of this even if the facts were laid out right in front of you.
Ever hear the phrase “for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction”? When you poke your nose where it doesn't belong, there are repercussions. And all our poor excuse for a president and VP has done, is create more enemies, turn more people in to America haters, and basically ensure the continued deaths of innocent American and Muslim lives, all in the name of greed.
But hey, you can call me whatever you like because I have my own mind, and I choose to question the rational of our elected leaders, but one thing I am not is unpatriotic. So you continue to defend your president and his henchmen and everything they stand for, don't ask questions, and wait for your next tour guarding the pipeline construction in northern Afghanistan. Hopefully, some day soon, you will realize they used your patriotism against you, before it's too late.
In the meantime, I will sleep well knowing that the women of Iraq can go to the polls now and choose which American-backed leader they would like to run their country.
It's obvious we have differences of opinion, I don't want to continue on this topic. I honestly admire your courage and patriotism, you fight for something you believe in, I just hate knowing that so many people are dying when they shouldn't be over there to begin with. My best friend, who served there, was a military man for 10 years, he served in several peace keeping missions, Bosnia, etc..., but after his tour in Afghanistan was done, and watched several of his best friends blown to pieces right in front of him, and realized the real reason he was over there, he knew it was time to get out. I have heard his stories first hand, which makes me a bit more passionate when discussing this topic.
im surprised there wasnt more intelligent people on this forum who can see posts for what they are.
im a long time lurker and rare poster, and first and foremostly i gotta say that i lvoe what bongtokes brings to this forum. great vids, decent MMA knowledge (altho misled sometimes) and a fun attitude. when it comes to this vid tho, our views differ. I have seen it a long time ago (it is old) and watched it again just to make sure.
I am a medical student and have to say that the chance of the KO'ed man escaping without brain injury is very slim. If i had to guess i would say it would have taken weeks to recover, if he even recovered at all. to do that much damage to somebody while that close and personal (guns do more damage but are rarely as personal as this) is horrific. Especially when there is no real vendetta between them; it is only a fight for money and 2 minutes of fame.
While both guys did enter into the fight knowingly, the knee drops at the end were unnecessary. while he may have been a criminal, he still likely has mothers, fathers, sisters and friends who care for him, and thus even if he may deserve a head smashing, the people who care for him dont deserve the anguish of dealing with the results.
i dont harbour resentment toward bong tho, because i know he is not serious. bong is a man who naturally craves attention, and internet forums are the perfect place to get it. by saying something controversial, he provokes discussion about himself, which is exactly what he desires. it is a common theme throughout many of his posts. After all, as we all know, bad attention is still always better than no attention. If bong were to witness this felony fight in real life, with no-one else around to have to act up for, it is obvious that it would not have the effect that he claims it would. I am not saying he is a phony, as craving attention is human nature, but he certainly is a step above most others in this department.
so to sum up this rare post of mine, let me say that this is a brutal video which i believe has no place on this forum. It gets lots of views tho, so the admin will leave it on - understandably, since they need to pay the site bills. The violence in it is disturbing, and regardless of whatever bongtokes may say while sitting at his computer, i believe that he recognises this.
anyway thats all for me for a while, so let me just also add that someone needs to hand fedor his ass on a platter, so that this way maybe we can provoke some memories of his long forgotten ego, and taunt him back into fighting regularly. Also, silvas a beast and penn's time will come.
The jaw broke on the punch. To be honest as far as the whole outrage goes, I liked teh result dude talks about stabbing people like it's awesome. Only then was he willing to fight the guy he stabbed " with blood spurting out of his neck it was awesome" Seeing some retard violent yokel get his jaw broken wildly entertains me. GREAT POST BONG
That fight should be stopped sooner. He is lucky he still alive. But then again this what mma is about. Inside the cage you could be saved by a tap or referee; ousite the ring you could be mauled to death and nobody knows
But the point is when you finish you oponent, you are not suppoed to finish him off ; unless you are a chicken. I ve seen ,many times, four or five bouncers kicking the shit of a senseless drunk and shouting: only gutless cowards do that .
The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness - Erich Fromm
HOLY SHIT! Of all the surprises on this board, I NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEVER thought I'd see Erich Fromm's name! Kudos broseph! KUDOS!
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Human nature is what it is and there will always be somone trying to rule and take from others.
That's not human nature. If you want to know about human nature, dont study the history of civilization, study pre-civilization (anthropology). Check out Richard Lee, Marshall Sahlins, and John Zerzan
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